Ellen Sitting in God's Judgment Seat

Ellen claimed to know God's will regarding individual people, claiming to know their hearts, motives, and salvation status as God did. She condemned (from obtaining salvation) parents for the sins of their children, individuals if they did not sell her books, individuals for their personal decisions such as where to live, and whether individuals gave money and assets to the Adventist cause. She spoke condemnation over people that can only be spoken from the judgment seat of God. This is similar to the Pope claiming insight into people's hearts with the ability to excommunicate them from heaven.

Scripture:

  • "I, the Lord, search and examine the mind, I test the heart, to give to each man according to his ways, according to the results of his deeds." Jeremiah 17:10

 

  • "There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy." James 4:10-12

 

Per scripture, God holds parents and children responsible for their own sins.

  • “Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor shall children be put to death for their fathers; a person shall be put to death for his own sin.” Deuteronomy 24:16

 

  • “The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not bear the guilt of the father, nor the father bear the guilt of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.” Ezekiel 18:20

 

Ellen White: 

  • "I have been shown some things concerning you. In the last vision given me I was shown that you, Jarvis Munsel, have not a ray of light from Jesus...You have lacked religion and have imitated the hateful disposition of Satan. You are one of his faithful servants. God disowns you. You are a curse to His cause...God will never take such as you to heaven... Matilda, I saw that God’s mercy was still extended to you. You have thought the church cared nothing for you. It is not so. The course of Jarvis has led them to shun your house; his course is so mean, he is such a son of Belial that everyone that has anything to do with him regrets it afterwards. He leaves a stain on everything he touches and the brethren’s safest course is to leave him to his own meanness, which is so despicable in the sight of God. Then they will escape being wounded. I saw, Matilda, you should exert every energy to overcome the evil which has been taking root in your heart, and root out the poisonous weeds as quickly as possible. Save your own soul by your own righteousness. Let not the bitter, hateful, overbearing talk of your husband ruin you. If you have to, leave the house, do not hear it. Go from it when you can. Do not retaliate or answer back, for he has not a particle of reason and you cannot help him but will only stain your own soul with blackness... Your children, I saw, could not be brought under a worse influence than they are now. They are forming characters to be cut down with the seven last plagues and their father will bear this burden, this fearful burden. Oh, what lessons for your children! What a shameful example! And the neighborhood are not in ignorance of your shameful course. You publish your own disgrace and yet you pretend to be Sabbathkeepers. Says the True Witness, “I know thy works.” God will spue you out of His mouth." Ellen White to Jarvis Munsel, letter 34, 1868 https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/2983.1#15 

 

  • "I was then pointed to [Brother Ross], of whom the angel said, “Ye have not been a co-worker with the Third Angel. Ye have not separated the vile from the precious.” I then saw that death, death had reigned in your midst. I was then shown that Elizabeth did not die having her work all done. As life was held up before her, she failed of a triumphant victory. The hearts of many who prayed for her to be raised up were not right in the sight of God. Some who professed to lose their strength were not exercised by the Spirit of God. Many shouted when it was no shouting. A soul was going into the grave unapprised of it, but she will be saved. Others will have to bear the sin of her not being a triumphant overcomer. She was not accountable for the lack. All impatience or fretfulness should have been corrected by those who watched over her, that she might be reconciled to live or die.Letters and Manuscripts, Manuscript 1 (1854) https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/2867.1#14 

 

  • “Dear Brother Uriah, in my last vision I saw particularly the position you occupy, that it was pleasing to God for you to stand as you do in regard to the paper… I saw some things that were a detriment to you or a hindrance. I was shown the communication from Harriet to you was like so many clogs to you. They lack the savor. If Harriet was baptized with the Spirit of God, if she was devoted to Him, then her letters would have a good influence, and if she enjoyed salvation, her letters would breathe it. Harriet has a good talent, but the sweet, humble, devoted, childlike spirit is lacking and without this all that talent is no more than the talent of any of the world. She lacks consecration. She lacks religion. God will not accept the thoughts of her mind unless they run in the channel of salvation, purified and refined by His Spirit. Unless there is a work done for Harriet, she cannot be saved. A form will be of no advantage to her. If Harriet would spend a portion of her time in praying to God that she spends in writing letters, it would be much more for her benefit and the benefit of others. I saw that multitudinous letters void of the Spirit of God, sent abroad, is a curse to God’s cause and a curse [to] the one that writes them. I saw that God had a higher, holier calling and work for you. That you should not spend your precious time in answering such letters. I saw that no station on earth is more important than [the one that] those occupy that are at the head of the paper, and write for it, and expressly who have to do with it. God has placed you there. It is an important work. Brother Uriah, you must be consecrated to God in order to fill your place and exert a holy influence. I knew not at first what to do with the vision but concluded to send it [to] you, Uriah, and also to Harriet. ” Letters and Manuscripts, Letter 8 (1856) https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/13961.2875001#2875010 

 

  • "I was shown the case of Brother and Sister Loughborough. I saw that Sister Mary had stood in Brother John’s way; that she had not been consecrated to God; that she understood but little of what it was to deny herself for Christ’s sake; that instead of studying her own ease, inclinations, and wishes, she should lie passive in the hands of God, and study His holy will, and instead of following out her own will, be ready to inquire, What wouldst Thou have me to do, Lord? I saw that for some time past, Sister Mary has had a rebellious spirit, has been self-willed; that her will had not yet been broken; that that will was her idol, and that idol would shut her out of heaven unless speedily sacrificed. I saw that she did not bring the coming of the Lord as near as she should, and that her mind, instead of being at Rochester, should be all swallowed up in the work of God, and she should be seeking opportunities to help her husband, to hold up his hands, and to labor wherever there was an opportunity…Satan was constantly harassing her mind about going to Rochester. I saw that when God called Brother John to Rochester, then it would be time enough for her to think of going, but it was all a snare of Satan for her to feel that she must go to Rochester. I saw that God had nothing for Mary to do in Rochester, and she had nothing in God’s Word that would bear her out in going there…Again He had warned, and unless Sister Mary moves speedily from the critical situation she is in, it will be forever too late, for God will not bear always. He will give her up to her unsubdued, unsanctified will, to follow her own ways and be filled with them, and finally to be weighed in the balances and found wanting.” Letters and Manuscripts, manuscript 3 (1858) https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/13961.2950001#2950006 
    • Ellen is telling a woman named Mary that if she and her husband move to Rochester, she will lose her salvation and will not inherit eternal life. 

 

  • “Dear Mary, last Monday I was shown in vision some things that bear with weight upon my mind…Now, dear Mary, it is possible for your will to be subject to the will of God. Unless you do yield your will to God, choose His way, His pleasure, His will, instead of your own, I saw that you were none of His. He will not own you, He will not accept you. He leaves you for Satan to take possession of the will that you would not yield to Him, and Satan will mold this will as he pleases. I was shown that the plan of salvation was laid out, and God will not change or deviate in His plan to save any one…Mary, dear Mary, I have seen that God’s providence has placed John and you where you are. God has been working for you both that you, Mary, may be left without excuse. That time has come. Now it is for you to come up, to eagerly grasp the merits of Christ’s blood, lay hold of the plan of salvation, submit your will to the will of God, choose to suffer with Christ or choose your own will, your own way, travel the way of the transgressor and lose eternal life, lose heaven. You can serve God if you will. You can devote yourself to Him and redeem the time…Mary, dear Mary, if you remain a little longer in your present state I fear that God will not pity, He will not bear always. Mary, I fear for you greatly. I was shown that God lays out the work for John. He must perform it. Just as long as he remains a servant of God he must go at His bidding. God does not lay out His work to gratify the will or pleasure of any. If John should follow as you would wish, follow your will, your pleasure, he is no longer a servant of Jesus Christ; for your will is unsanctified, not subject to God’s will. Fearful have been the responsibilities you have been willing to take upon yourself. Only let your will be gratified and you would risk the consequences. Dear Mary, I saw that you were a slave, yes, a slave, to your own unsubdued will. You are in complete bondage. It holds control and cruel power over you. I saw that your will, your set will, must die—or your hopes of eternal life; both cannot live at the same time. I was shown that the Lord will lay out the work for John, and you must leave all to follow Jesus. Then, Mary, will you realize the blessing of God. Then can you say, The yoke of Christ is easy, His burden light…I know that your happiness depends upon the course of your action. And unless it is entirely different in many respects than it has been, you cannot have life, have salvation…I was in hopes that God would never give me another message for you.” Letters and Manuscripts, Letter 1 (1858) https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/72.1799#1802 
    • Another letter to Mary, claiming in God's name that she will lose her salvation if she moves to Rochester. This is not what scripture teaches regarding to salvation. 

  

  • "The house of God is desecrated, the Sabbath violated by Sabbath believers’ children. They run about the house, play, talk, and manifest their evil tempers in the very meetings where the saints have met together to glorify God and worship Him in the beauty of holiness. The place that should be holy, and where a holy stillness reigns, and where perfect order, neatness, and humility should exist is made to be a perfect Babylon, and a place where confusion, disorder and untidiness reigns. These things shut out God from our assemblies, and cause His wrath to be kindled that He will not be pleased to go out with the armies of Israel to battle against our enemies. He would not give the victory in Oswego meeting. The enemies of our faith triumphed. God was displeased. God’s anger is kindled that His house should be made like Babylon. Parents, I saw, stood in the place of God to their children, and they will have to render an awful account whether they have been faithful to the little few that have been committed to their trust. I saw that you were rearing children to be cut down by the destroying angel unless you speedily turn square about and be faithful to your children. Think you that God can cover or hide iniquity in children and preserve them whom He hates? No, never. God hates unruly children who manifest passion and evil tempers, etc. He can not save them in the time of trouble. They will be eternally lost through parents’ neglect. Their blood will be upon their parents. How can parents be saved with the blood of their children upon them, when they might have saved their children? God says, “I know Abraham, that he will command his household after him.” [Genesis 18:19.] Parents, it is your duty to have your children under perfect subjection, having all their passions and evil tempers perfectly subdued. I saw that if they were carried to the house of God, they should be made to know where they were, that they were not at home, but where God met with His people, and they should be kept quiet from all play and running about, and then God will deign to meet with His people." Letters and Manuscripts, Manuscript 1 (1854) https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/2867.1#16 

 

  • "The work of the Lord includes more than one line of service. “Christ's Object Lessons” is to live and do its appointed work, but not all the thought and effort of God's people are to be given to its circulation. The larger books, “Patriarchs and Prophets,” “Great Controversy,” and “Desire of Ages,” should be sold everywhere. These books contain truth for this time,—truth that is to be proclaimed in all parts of the world. Nothing is to hinder their sale…Many more of our larger books might have been sold if church members had been awake to the importance of the truths these books contain, and had realized their responsibility to circulate them. My brethren and sisters, will you not now make an effort to circulate these books?…Sister White is not the originator of these books. They contain the instruction that during her life-work God has been giving her…The Lord has declared that these books are to be scattered throughout the world…My brethren and sisters, work earnestly to circulate these books. Put your hearts into this work, and the blessing of God will be with you….Let no one think he is at liberty to fold his hands and do nothing; that any one can be saved in indolence and inactivity is an utter impossibility.” The Review and Herald: January 20 (1903) https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/821.22459#22470 

 

  • Some have taken the position that the warning, cautions, and reproofs given by the Lord through his servant, unless they come through special vision for each individual case, should have no more weight than the counsels and warnings from other sources. In some cases it has been represented that in giving a testimony for churches or individuals I have been influenced to write as I did by letters received from members of the church. There have been those who claimed that testimonies purporting to be given by the Spirit of God were merely the expression of my own judgment, based upon information gathered from human sources. This statement is utterly false…In a recent dream I was brought before an assembly of people, some of whom were making efforts to remove the impression of a most solemn testimony of warning that I had given them. They said: “We believe Sister White's testimonies; but when she tells us things that she has not directly seen in vision in the particular case under consideration, her words are of no more account to us than the words of any other person." The Spirit of the Lord came upon me, and I arose and rebuked them in the name of the Lord. I repeated in substance that which I have presented above in regard to the watchman. This, I said, is appropriate to your case and to mine. Now if those to whom these solemn warnings are addressed say, “It is only Sister White's individual opinion, I shall still follow my own judgment,” and if they continue to do the very things they were warned not to do, they show that they despise the counsel of God, and the result is just what the Spirit of God has shown me it would be—injury to the cause of God and ruin to themselves. Some who wish to strengthen their own position will bring forward from the Testimonies statements which they think will support their views, and will put the strongest possible construction upon them; but that which questions their course of action, or which does not coincide with their views, they pronounce Sister White's opinion, denying its heavenly origin and placing it on a level with their own judgment. If you, my brethren, who have been acquainted with me and my work for many years, take the position that my counsel is of no more value then the counsel of those who have not been specially educated for this work, then do not ask me to unite with you in labor; for while you occupy this position, you will inevitably counteract the influence of my work. If you feel just as safe in following your own impulses as in following the light given by God's delegated Servant, the peril is your own; you will be condemned because you rejected the light which Heaven had sent you…the Lord came to me in the night season and spoke precious words of encouragement concerning my work, repeating the same message that had been given me several times before. With regard to those who have turned from the light sent them, He said: “In slighting and rejecting the testimony that I have given you to bear, it is not you, but me, your Lord, that they have slighted.” Testimonies for the Church, Vol 5, p. 687-688 https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/113.3326#3327 

 

  • “Dear Brother Church: In the night season I was visited by a heavenly messenger who said, “Follow me.” …”Your case was also presented before me, and I saw that you were not walking in the light.”...Brother Church, you claim to believe the testimonies in regard to health reform, and you make your belief in this matter quite prominent. You have respect for the testimonies because you believe that God has spoken, but have you heeded the light that has been given to you through this instrumentality? Do you accept only that portion which meets your own ideas, and turn away from that which rebukes your error? God has given light to you in testimonies written in the plainest language, so that you could not misunderstand their import had you a desire to do so.” …”Your work should be, from this time forth, to make your calling and election sure by adding grace to grace.” … "This is your work, Brother Church, and if you neglect to do it you will lose your soul.” Letters and Manuscripts, Vol 6, Letter 8 (1890) https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/14056.5046001#5046001 

 

  • “Then Jesus and all the retinue of holy angels, and all the redeemed saints, left the city. The angels surrounded their Commander and escorted Him on His way, and the train of redeemed saints followed. Then, in terrible, fearful majesty, Jesus called forth the wicked dead; and they came up with the same feeble, sickly bodies that went into the grave. What a spectacle! what a scene! At the first resurrection all came forth in immortal bloom; but at the second the marks of the curse are visible on all. The kings and noblemen of the earth, the mean and low, the learned and unlearned, come forth together.” …”Then Jesus and the holy angels, accompanied by all the saints, again go to the city, and the bitter lamentations and wailings of the doomed wicked fill the air. Then I saw that Satan again commenced his work. He passed around among his subjects, and made the weak and feeble strong, and told them that he and his angels were powerful. He pointed to the countless millions who had been raised.  Second Resurrection There were mighty warriors and kings who were well skilled in battle and who had conquered kingdoms. And there were mighty giants and valiant men who had never lost a battle. There was the proud, ambitious Napoleon, whose approach had caused kingdoms to tremble. There stood men of lofty stature and dignified bearing, who had fallen in battle while thirsting to conquer. As they come forth from their graves, they resume the current of their thoughts where it ceased in death. They possess the same desire to conquer which ruled when they fell. Satan consults with his angels, and then with those kings and conquerors and mighty men. Then he looks over the vast army, and tells them that the company in the city is small and feeble, and that they can go up and take it, and cast out its inhabitants, and possess its riches and glory themselves.” Early Writings, p. 279 (1882 ed) / Spiritual Gifts, Vol 1, Ch 40 https://m.egwwritings.org/en/book/104.786#791 
    • Ellen claimed to know that Napoleon was damned to hell, even though no human knows the state of relationship between his heart and God when he died. The story of the thief on the cross next to Jesus demonstrates God's mercy on sinners even if their surrender and repentance is at the time of their death. According to scripture, God is the only one who can see into the heart and knows who is saved and who will be lost.